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Reviewer: KerenOlivero Anonymous [Report This]
Date: Mar 10, 2015 04:08 am Title: When the Dog Bites. When the Bee Stings

quite a list there. with the grammar thing, I'm a perfectionist there so there are moments where I would cringe and even be mad at myself for spelling something wrong..but I do let some spelling mistakes slide like if the author has a learning disability and they try their hardest to get beta to aide them or something..I basically let it slide once I understand what they were trying to convey in the chapter..

I will admit I am rather picky..if something bugs me too much I just don't read it or I stop reading if I had started..here is my list:

1.during an argument with Michael the OG acts her shoe size instead of her age

2.lack of research (especially if it's something that could be easily be looked up via Google)

3. overeggageration of Michael's flaws, for  example there being a heavy emphasis on them that it makes Michael have no redeeming traits..like thinking just because he cussed sometimes when the occasion called for it, taking it to mean he did it all the time so it looks like he has limited vocabulary or has no class

4.Michael doing things totally against his character without explanation/logical reason(unless it's a parody or spoof)

5.Paris, Prince and Blanket being portrayed as bratty without explanation when Mr. Mesereau has said how well mannered they are.true, the two oldest has had their issues in their teen years but having them be Arviso-esque as a small child? really?

6. love triangles..started to hate them when they become the same thing over and over (Michael and OG are dating, an ex comes there and starts being jealous and Michael ends up cheating on one with the other until forced to choose)

7.Character bashing. This should probably number 1 on the list.  I was taught when I first started writing how imperative it is to be careful how treating non-favorite characters. (unless doing a fic where one can get away with breaking the rule). I have especially grown weary of the Lisa being a villainess in fics. I mean I can read if it's written in a believable way and if something happens to make her show her better side but being one dimensional formula has started to get a bit old and cliche..I get she has major issues and serious flaws but flat out evil? no.. she has strong points as well as weak points. also when I consider there are much worse people Michael had dealings with, and Madonna wasn't any nicer and I don't see her being used..who knows..maybe it's because I looked at both sides whilst reading about the details of the marriage revealed (on Vindicate Michael blog) or maybe because I made the decision to forgive or at least not be comsumed by the grudge. long story short I believe there should be balance with not so great characters just as there should be balance with awesome characters or else leave them be.

other than these, I am generally "so be it, as long as the fic is well-written" when it comes to stories. 



Author's Response:

2. LOL I decided to go easy on that one. I'm realizing more and more the difference between being trained in research and not, makes. Practice makes this easier and quicker. While I don't mean for that to be an excuse, I can see why some people avoid it....I mean, if you are counting seconds and perceive doing research/checking the quality of your sources as cumbersome, the chances of someone actually doing it decrease.

3. Agreed. I see the same happen with people extending the fact that he pursued one married woman to assume he had no respect for the sanctity of marriage and no problem jumping screwing random women.

4. amen

5. Agreed. My understanding is that Paris was very nice to fans, they were very well-behaved in general, and Michael took a lot of pride in their behavior.

6. You just listed a few things that I can't stand. The cheating behavior, the ex, and Michael even entertaining the ex.

7. Agreed. Everyone has a story. Sometimes it's harder to uncover those stories, and sometimes part of it is an inborn characteristic (e.g.**deleted explanation b/c it's irrelevant**), but 9.8 times out of 10, there is a story.  Like you mentioned - there are multiple sides to each of those stories. Given the information I've read, heard, and learned, I'm not a fan of LiMP. I also don't think she's ursula...just as I think that Michael's way of dealing with conflict ultimately bit him in the ass on many occassions. Was he still an incredible human being? Yes.

Thanks for the ideas!

Reviewer: Kunda Signed starstarstarstarstar [Report This]
Date: Mar 10, 2015 12:47 am Title: When the Dog Bites. When the Bee Stings

Point 7 in the cringe worth portion is my downfall for AMOUR. I've gotten many a complaint about that and I totally understand how it makes sense coming from a readers point of view. It's been a busy couple weeks, hell, month and then some. I've been unable to post let alone write. But I keep up with these tips like they're the bible... this one post compelled me to respond because it really hits home with me.

Like another said, you ain't never lied.

It's true, in regards to everything romance novelesque or not, weak leads are a total turn off. That is one thing I loathe especially, female leads that literally can't lift a finger for themselves. 

Loise Lane (Superman)

Mary Jane (Spiderman)

I'm like really bitch? As if the hero ain't something more important to do than to save your raggedy ass every doggone minute.

With that being said, as stated before, I have been nudged about my lead being cut from the typical cloth of the damsels in distress. Although I don't completely disagree with that opinion I will defend by stating that her character still has a lot of growing to do.

I haven't posted in eons but I do still have a purpose for Kelly. Those who really dig a little deeper can see that, for who and what she is,  she's really not helpless at all. A little weak, but but that's natural. I can't hulkify her. But I totally would if I could. 

Anyway. 

I look forward to your posts so much.

Every single word of advise you write is aspiring writers gold. I'm not even trying to Brown nose right now. I wish more people could or would take a second to just study this. 

Here's to you. 

I appreciate this.



Author's Response:

Thanks Kunda :) You have me blushing

You may have made a similar faux pas, but the way you made it isn't insurmountable. I'm going off of memory, but I think I remember enough for this to be an accurate account of my perpective.  To be quite direct, the way you wrote it has a number of strengths that keeps the story from becoming super cliche: Michael was hesitant to engage in any relationship with her b/c of her age, the scenes in which he is father-ish are also typically scenes that have twists, and the OG is a survivor of rape. Being a survivor of rape tends to get (good) guys' backs up. If not frozen in fear of making a misstep, they get very protective. Whether the abuse is known or not, their is often something in the woman that pulls for their protective nature to emerge.

I'm like really bitch? As if the hero ain't something more important to do than to save your raggedy ass every doggone minute.

LOL

Agreed, your girl has a flavor of a damsel in distress, but she is also a teen, been exposed to a significant degree of trauma, and lives an otherwise sheltered and religious life. The interaction of those experiences would no doubt have an impact on her emotional and interpersonal development. She's doing fairly (really) well for what she's been through.

I wonder if what people are reacting to is her age? I know you are walking a line with that, and a lot of people feel uncomfortable saying that. She's 16, right? If that's the case, her parents could press charges against MJ, but if a psych, MD, teacher, etc were to find out about her relationship to MJ, they wouldn't be mandated to report it to CPS. If 15, it would be mandated.

I know you are super busy, but I look forward to your next update :)

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